Army, Navy, Police, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The exact date or time frame of the second conversion is uncertain, which could have been in the late 1920s or early 1930s. Poulin 2015 Auction, Bahnschutz holster, front view only, 1. Pictured are three views of a fine example holster; view 1, view 2, view 3. He should conscientiously fulfill his obligations, should be professional in his measures, be in touch with the public, but also act strictly against obvious violations, on the other hand avoid all incidents or even abuses by which the mood of a considerable part of the population is even more against those Police are involved when it is unfortunately already the case. Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei), 1922. Pictured is a brown leather example with regulation holster body attached holster body spare magazine pouch with up-strap and cover flap keeper slit and steel stud closure. Brown would be rural. Sturgess in TBLAP also states that the new police cleaning rods were issued to each police pistol, further stating in the Fig. institute for technology and transport. There was an identical Zeitz marked holster offered for $695 on the web site of a major Luger retailer, however, stating in the description, specifically, that the holster is a WW2 police issue: ">WW2 police issue. Ordnance Department in August 1901 for troop trials with the U.S. Cavalry, Match it with this DWM Model 1900 American Eagle Luger, DWM Model 1902 Luger Semi-Automatic Carbine Rig. WOL, 1977 by S. Costanzo on page 105, described as a 1933 Heers Waffen Amt proof. All of this is conjecture of course but it stands up to close inspection. On the back, between the belt loops is a Nazi Eagle, short wingsAlmost Police looking but cannot be as it is a WaAThe # appears to be JL16. Rock Island Auctions has over 100 Lugers at their upcoming Premier Auction in May including carbines and artillery models and rare pistols meant for Persian, American, and Russian markets. certain when the holster was modified, however, it was used by the German State Railway Protection Police, specifically the Bahnschutz or Bahnschutzpolizei Pictured is a black leather 1935 dated Franz Cobau Berlin holster with an circled K police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number S.P.R. German military and police units, one can sometimes derive some However, in 1941, Fraktur was banned in a Schrifterlass (edict on script) signed by Martin Bormann as so-called Schwabacher Judenlettern ("Schwabacher Jewish letters"). Pictured is a black dyed 1933 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era (1929-36) Sunburst police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number S.E.I. In actuality, a really rhetorical issue, as except for the two pictured and discussed holsters, being the only known published examples noted to date. 2: 1,223: DWM unit marked. The matching serial number is marked on the barrel extension, front of the frame and bottom of the barrel with the partial number "33 on most small parts including the inside of each grip panel. Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst K police inspection stamp and marked L.H. This rare leather S.K.g 715 holster by Otto Stuertz Allenstein is in excellent condition. Caliber 7.62mm - 6.5" barrel. Pictured is a brown leather example with regulation holster body attached holster body spare magazine pouch with up-strap and cover flap keeper slit and steel stud closure. Still, however, somewhat refutes his prior reportedly statements, five years later in Weimar Lugers 1993 on page 181, Figure 47a text caption where he dismisses the (carry) use of the police cleaning rods with cut-back artillery Luger holsters where he states that: These (police cleaning) rods probably remained in Army or police stations as the brass stop prevents them for fitting in holsters. JavaScript is disabled. . One of GT's luger mounts arrived a couple of days ago. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 12 ----------------------------------------------------------, Pictured is an exceptional example of one such Police officer private purchase, unmarked and unmodified Weimar era Police clamshell dress bayonet. German weapons and equipment until 1937, when unit marking of materiel was As to the luftamt I do not know, but the Army HZa's still equipped the Luftwaffe and Waffen SS, so it makes sense. 4 days Left 18th Century Wooden Box with Brass Handle. by the German authorities from the Imperial and Weimar eras, and is an Abtlg. Mike, i don't think Joop is doing that? Magistrat und Polizeiverwaltung Stadt Reichenbach=Municipality and police administration City Reichenbach, Knigl. 127; view 1, And when new information comes out, sometimes "old" information is shown to be wrong. I think it's a P08 made by DWM ( Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken ). " ----------------------------------------------------------- page 5 ----------------------------------------------------------. police issue 7-inch Any attempt to insert or force the Police cleaning rod with brass stopper past the brass stud would damage, either the rather stiff, added inflexible cleaning rod upper leather pouch section, the holster body or the actual cleaning rod. (May indicate manufacture or rework.) Taming the SFAR: How Ruger's Small-Frame .308 Runs Suppressed. a 4-digit 1108 believed to be a Police P.08 serial number. links[0]='http://www.GermanMilitaria.com'; Still and as illustrated in a very rare 1930s Walther advertising brochure titled: WALTHER POLIZEI-PISTOLEN PP / PPK und ihre Handhabung and an equally rare 1936 Walther PP/PPK 50 year commemorative flyer. Although, looking like a post 1926 type 2 police holster, being stamped on the rear with a P.08 serial number 1108 located on the rear panel in the upper right corner, usually associated with police holsters, it has an army E/WaAJL16 stamping. Pictured is a brown leather 1935 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a TP or Technische Polizeischule property stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 7691;view 1, view 2 and view 3. Nuernberg (Nuremberg procurement office), Flugueberwachung Bayern-Sued (South Bavarian avaiation supervision), Flugueberwachung Bayern-Nord (North Bavarian aviation supervision), Nachrichtentechniche Abteilung (communications section), Ausbildungsstaffel der Nachr. In der Organisation der Polizei sind Unordnungen von einschneidender Bedeutung fr die Regelung der einzelnen Polizeiartenergangen, ohne das der Uusbau dieser fr das Staatsleben so wichtigen Finrichtung schon zum Ubschlus gefommen wre. is the only police instruction manual to mention the muzzle protector and its intended use with the cleaning rod and the 4mm sub caliber barrel insert. The base is too thick and the ball shape is incorrect. Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 2023Guns.com. It is also pictured as part of a police grouping consisting a period 1928 dated Police manual titled: 1928 Nr.7,1 Vorschrift fr die Waffenausbildung der Shutzpolizei or 1928 Nr.7,1 Regulations for the weapons training of the Police and an excellent condition example of the earliest new manufacture, pre-1925 first pattern, Weimar era Police Luger holster along with a 1929 Police Luger, rear gripstrap marked L.W.58 (Landjgerei Wiesbaden, weapon number 58) with original, unmodified magazine . In the publication History Writ in Steel by Don Maus 2009, chapter 6, page 86, Figure 6-6 discusses and shows a similar marked, cut-back artillery holster, unfortunately, showing only the holster marking, not the holster, leaving the exact configuration of the holster unknown, thus making the subject, uniquely modified holster, the only known published example. arms of this police force were a source of comflict with the IMKK, who We know now that it was DWM who started the v block. [5] The S. M. 1074 markings are crossed-out with an X punch and re-stamped, positioned perpendicular at the forward gripstrap toe with an added Ostsee property number O.1057. Also, recently in Strafrecht (Criminal Law) z. L. significant upheavals took place. Estimated price on these beauties run between $3,500-$25,000. But you must recognize that; being a researcher yourself! Berlin police group. Kriminalpolizei (detective force), Assigned to The Germans used the letter "J" instead of "I" quite often to avoid confusion with the number "1." On later production guns, matching numbered magazines enhance value. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 3 ----------------------------------------------------------. This assumes that the cut-back Artillery to Police holster and the modification of the cleaning rod/pouch/sleeve and cover flap were contemporaneous operations. WWI). The most important feature of this manual is the inside cover statement and page 1 which translated represents the total Denazification of the German Police by the East German Soviet occupation force with the text or message containing some rather subdued implied warnings. SIG Sauer Tango MSR Optic Review: Your Value & Performance LPVO. Thread Tools: Display Modes S.B.S.I 1.7 - item 7 in the 1st Centuria within command I of the South Pictured is a 1915 dated P. Braunleder Cln 19-130 text caption: A post-WW1 new manufactured police issue cleaning rod with soft-soldered stop for use with the Mndungsschoner for the P.08.These were issued to the police on a scale of one per pistol.Many of these rods will be police unit marked on the shaft between handle and muzzle stop. It is not very important if the delivery of these pistols took place just before the 1st of January 1930, or just after (invoiced by Mauser).". 19-105, formally of the Dr. G.L. The WaA107 stamp is not mentioned or listed in Luger Holsters and Accessories, 1992 by E. Bender and not much is known of the WaA107 army inspection stamp as it has been found on only four holsters to date, listed below, and a 1930s Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector: Pictured is another variation 1 muzzle protector in the collection stamped 2866 with an additional, unidentified police marking that has been partially obscured and covered with X marks and a small, unidentified police inspection stamp. As you see - new evidence produces mostly new questions. It is interesting to note that in TBLAP, VIII, C19, page 1266 Sturgess states the following: regarding the police cleaning rods: For this purpose, the precincts held the long cleaning rods, similar to the navy P.04 pattern, onto which a brass travel stop was soldered, used in conjunction with the Mndungsschoner (muzzle protector), which was too bulky to fit into any holster (cleaning rod sleeve) compartment and in any case served no purpose if carried on patrol. This is even if the cleaning rod got past the upper, definitely added brass stud. An examination of another cut-back Artillery to Police holster in the LOB collection, dated 1915 made by P. Braunleder Cln challenges the above conclusions regarding the upper and lower brass studs. 3 days Left DWM 1906 SWISS POLICE LUGER SEMI-AUTO PISTOL. links[8]='http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com'; The production outlet was 100 pistols a day during that time. Additionally, it seems incongruous that a 1920s post WW1 manufacture brass stud was added or replaced when clearly period correct brass studs were available as attested by the added brass stud, while the apparent goal was to modify the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve and cover flap to accommodate a Police cleaning rod as the lower replaced brass stud would clearly interfere with the insertion of a Police cleaning rod. For the rest, however, there has been a tendency to warn the book in its existing form as far as possible. Approximately 5 produced (2 originals known), not numbered. This is a Luger P08 without Nazi markings! There are other, more obscure WW1 or Weimar era police organization affiliated belt buckles with unique design emblems. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Pictured is a brown leather 1939 dated Kern Klager & Cie Berlin police holster with an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp; view 1 and view 2. It is curious that the Hannover Police markings, S. Hn. There is no Police tool in the holster. This rare M1908 Commercial Army P.08 variation is described in great detail on page 25, Figure 18 of Imperial Lugers 1991 by J. If you are looking for something similarly long, RIA has a Farsi-marked Persian contract Mauser Artillery Luger with an 8-inch barrel. A community dedicated to Lugers, Central Powers, Axis, Allied and related WW-I and WW-II pistols by their scholars, collectors, owners and enthusiasts. History Writ in Steel 2009 by L. Donald Maus in Chapter 9, on page 139 the author states: The markings from the Hannover district are some of the most confusing Ive seen. Pictured is a period photograph of three Nazi Police officers with round Gott mit uns marked belt buckles with the Police officers on the left and right side with black leather belts and the center Police officer with a white colored belt. This particular Police bayonet has been described not as Dress bayonet because it has an issue number on both the bayonet and the scabbard and as such its not a dress bayonet, but a duty bayonet and that they wore these on Patrol. -techn. The L.Z.A. Pictured is a brown leather 1935 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with an eagle over circled K police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 7307; view 1, It is also unlikely that any of the cut-back artillery holsters will be located with police markings as per TBLAP VIII, C19 page 1267 where it states: Modified army pattern holsters, whether of short LP.08 pattern originally, were not subject to formal inspection and marking upon conversion to the police pattern. state of Bavaria had the small arms issued to its members of the This created a bit of a dust-up with the native Berber (also known as the Riff) tribes who joined forces and kicked some serious Spanish butt until France teamed up with Spain and finally put down the uprising. Receiver proof, some reworked 1920 Police and Military Lugers 32. Helping Police). view 2 and For more detailed information on the 1949 Police manual. Either the original placement of the holster body cleaning rod pouch/sleeve entrance lip was incredibly low, with the entrance lip being 46 m/m below the holster body spine edge entrance lip, requiring the addition of a 33 m/m length leather strip, raising the entrance to within 15 m/m of the holster body spine entrance lip. Police Lugers by Edward B. Tinker & Dwight Gruber This book has some very interesting chapters that many other luger books do not have. WaA107 Schnellpressenfabrik Heidelberg 1939 a.k.a. Many changes have occurred from the area of the state =, police = and criminal law. N.b.5. A first glance through the new evidence that became available to me does not change my opinion as stated above. 45aand Best, Pat He who lives by the sword, should train with it frequently. Military Control Commission), was established to enforce the provisions of had its own police buckle. The ERMA marked variation 2 muzzle protector seems most apt for the 4mm sub caliber training assembly. Please report any errors to me. 1929 police luger markings on side plate and back of frame User Name: Remember Me? 351 pages. Pictured is a 1943 dated SCHAMBACH & Co. -BERLIN police holster with a unique eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police B inspection stamp; view 1, view 2 and view 3. IV. Das gibt ihm den inneren halt, das ruhige Uustreten in der Dessentlichteit, den sicheren Erfolg und damit eine gesteigerte Dienstfreudigteit und Liebe zum Berufe. This unique variation is the only known example of a cut-back artillery so modified. A 1914 Gustav Reinhardt Berlin example 1 and a 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example 2. 1920. A 1925 dated report of the IMKK notes noncompliance and an excellent condition example of the earliest new manufacture, pre-1925 first pattern, Weimar era Police Luger holster, an extremely rare circa 1930s Prussian State Schutzpolizei Police Nickel Silver, yet veryfew examples of a Police Officer or group, Weimar photos that shows groups of NCO Police with a mix of ordinary belt buckles and rectangular box style Weimar Prussian eagles. Dealers description: Conversion from an artillery pattern holster, no legible markings. regulations issued in 1920, and are shown in the following table. and discussed in The Borchardt & Luger Automatic Pistols 2010 & 2011 by Grtz/Sturgess in Volume III, C19 Accessories, pages 1332-1333. The instruction manual is pictured and other interesting details are described in. 1918 Dingeldey & Werres-Berlin cut-back artillery to police holster, Luger holstered s/n 5008. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 8 ----------------------------------------------------------. It is interesting to note however that no pistols having a blank toggle and the 'v' suffix have been reported so far. The magazine has a blued tube and aluminum base. A 108 is found in the upper right backside corner, what could be considered a Police serial marking? 3. eBay Auction, 1933 Paul Goldner Halle a. S. holster, The subject holster is the third such holster identified. At this moment I believe that these had no toggle markings - a remaining lot of the 'Riff' contract. var ad=new Array() centered in the federal states of Prussia, Bavaria, Baden, Wuerttemberg, Post Regimental markings on a 1916 P08 Luger - Arms and other weapons - The Great War (1914-1918) Forum. The right to believe is the right of those who don't know ". A noted holster collector and expert states after examining pictures of the subject unidentified maker cut-back Artillery to Police holster that: The cleaning rod leather section added to the subject Artillery cleaning rod pouch or sleeve, came from an original sleeve. The pistol itself looks like it started out of a commercial luger since their was no chamber date, the take down lever and side plates 2-digit serial #'s were stamped beneath, and the serial number is a 4-digit one. Still, page 174 Figure 28b describes and pictures a P.08 barrel installed ERMA muzzle protector in the text caption that states: This device fits over the muzzle of a Luger and reportedly protects the barrel rifling at the muzzle from the cleaning rod shaft. Stitching intact. 1920-1933: DWM Lugers. The second being a 1920s chamber stamped commercial P.08 Luger 9754r that is forward gripstrap police marked lengthwise S. M. 1704. or (Prussia) Schutzpolizei Mnster 1074 - Protection Police, Mnster district 7. the precincts held the long cleaning rods, similar to the navy P.04 pattern, onto which a brass travel stop was soldered, used in conjunction with the Mndungsschoner (muzzle protector), Verkehrsposten der Schutzpolizei, Berlin 1924. This was naturally discontinued with the dissolution of the What unit markings are on the pistol? It is speculated that the shift was also motivated by the need to communicate with occupied territories during WW2 and the use of Fraktur would inhibit that communication. droop-wing eagle over WaA107 army inspection stamp located on the right side flat. The first pictured example of a multiple conversion of an artillery to police holster conversion was done to a 1918 dated Dingeldey & Werres-Berlin artillery holster. It is, therefore, hard to imagine that the lower positioned brass stud, affixed to the original cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, despite its thicker base, is a replacement of non-German origin. invaluable source of information about the often obscure markings found on The second modification occurred in 1929 or possibly much later to comply with the new police holster requirements, by eliminating the cleaning rod sleeve/pouch and adding a spare magazine pouch. Muenchen (Munich procurement office), Wirtschaftsamt Note the late 1920s and early 1930s Prussian state police brown holsters are Landjgerie and black holsters are Schutzpolizei. by Igorak89 09 May 2016, 18:58, Post The balance of the change involved adding a cover flap brass stud to effect closure, utilizing the original LP.08 holster body up-strap and it is certain in this first conversion that the holster rear leather shoulder strap stock block was retained. ad[5]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/wittmann.jpg'; Note the non-standard vertical location of added metal belt buckle and strap/keeper cover flap holster vs. the regulation positioned and angled location of Pictured above are two books, Band I or Volume I The blade was shortened from 17 inches to 13 inches. Regarding the use of the police cleaning rod in the field it can be used without the barrel affixed Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector. the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster, fully inserted in the original, unmodified cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, a cover flap modified by adding a section of leather, allowing the cover flap to completely close over the seven ring wooden barrel Police cleaning rod handle, that is maybe why the upper brass stud was added to the subject cut-back unidentified maker Artillery holster, simply to allow the cleaning rod cover flap to close over the cleaning rod handle, the cover flap secured to the lower brass stud is clearly stressed, even without an inserted cleaning rod and definitely could not close with an inserted cleaning rod, being the addition of a second, higher located brass stud, the necessity of adding a section of leather, attached above the original cover flap location. Thanks for the help. GERMAN POLICE LUGER P08 MAGAZINE DOVE MARKINGS. Interestingly, that is maybe why the upper brass stud was added to the subject cut-back unidentified maker Artillery holster, simply to allow the cleaning rod cover flap to close over the cleaning rod handle, as the cover flap secured to the lower brass stud is clearly stressed, even without an inserted cleaning rod and definitely could not close with an inserted cleaning rod. Serial number stamped on the back corner 9436. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 9 ----------------------------------------------------------. 19-105, being offered by a noted dealer for an equally extremely rare four-digit price, Possibly post-WW2 East Germany DDR Police holster. violations of the Treaty of Versailles by the German police. However, no Police bayonets, in general, were issue items, so they would be more "service" items, rather than dress. A round buckle for Officers ranks and a box buckle for NCOs ranks utilizing the Freistaat Preuen eagle and are believed to have been introduced in 1921 and were utilized until 1936. 19-130 text caption Sturgess specifically states that the cleaning rod pouch of the pictured cut-back artillery to police holster, currently of the LOB collection, was modified to carry the police cleaning rod with added brass stopper, which is inaccurate as the police brass stop cleaning rod with a seven ring wooden handle cannot be inserted past the added, upper leather cleaning rod pouch section, securing cover flap brass stud as the bell-shaped, rather large 13 m/m diameter brass stopper, permanently affixed to the much smaller 5.5 m/m diameter of the steel cleaning rod, engages the protruding internal metal retaining lip of the added cleaning rod pouch brass stud. Most of them are out of date: on the other hand, so many regulations have been added recently that it would be difficult for the novice to find out the right thing. Apparently, there are other, period German Police Luger wooden box cleaning kits, another example being REINIGUNGSGERTFR PISTOLE = POLIZEI BADEN = although it is not clear as to the date of manufacture is pre or post 1945 as the state of Baden existed prior to 1945 and it wasnt until 1946 that the state of Wurternberg-Baden was formed. which the same style holster pictured with a 1920 chamber stamped commercial/Army/Police Luger 70319. is an identical holster in the collection, 1908/13 commercial/military/police, no chamber date Luger, serial number 69859. separate view of 69859 serialized in the hidden commercial style. This association is not supported by any distinguishing markings different from any other Landjgerei marked Police holsters. it was made without a loading tool pouch under the cover flap and the cover flap lacks a keeper for the holster body attached closing strap. rotating clockwise the short collar section, about 270 degrees by 1) rotating the threaded, knurled WaAJL16. (non-P08) Pistols & Holsters. First Mass-produced Semi-automatic Pistol. Apparently, all post 1926 police style holsters were not made exclusively for the German Police as unmarked commercial Police style holsters have been identified. It didn't really have to exactly comply or match others issued to a military unit preparing for battle. German Small Arms Markings From Authentic Sources by J. collar slot aligned and properly threaded, leaving a proper space allowing the circumference edge, circular collar past the sight block/blade, Pictured are multiple views of the above mentioned 1908/13 Commercial-Army-Police P.08 Luger, s/n 69859. states the following regarding this variation. I agree with Pat on the PTV marking. (communications maintenance squadron), Kraftfahrabteilung German manufactured commercial holster, original pistol model unknown, as identified by ink stampings located on the inside cover flap, WALTHER POLIZEI-PISTOLEN PP / PPK und ihre Handhabung, an equally rare 1936 Walther PP/PPK 50 year commemorative flyer. Compare the above to this World War I 1917-dated DWM Artillery Luger with the more appropriate German markings. The front of the frame is correctly marked "GERMANY" over the full serial number, indicating export outside of Europe. All P-08 Military Lugers. To the best of our knowledge, all the examples shown are original pre-1945 manufacture. The bayonets are interesting, as most were produced during the 1920s during the Weimar period. Upcoming Auctions Auctions Near Me How Auctions Work | Help . The press scolded for its frequent use of "Roman characters" under "Jewish influence" and German migrs urged to use only "German script". 5.6 (Cleaning Kit 34) pictured (Fig. Password: Register: All Albums: FAQ: Calendar: Mark Forums Read: View First Unread Thread Tools: Display Modes: 06-24-2002, 11:58 PM . The magazine has a non matching serial number. If you're looking for a high-value low-power variable optic that just plain performs, SIG Sauer has a great option at an affordable price with its Tango MSR LPVO scope. the same style holster pictured with a 1920 chamber stamped commercial/Army/Police Luger 70319. Army, Navy, Police. 2. August Weiss confirms that these pistols were sold by Mauser to the German Police; this solves my problem. In Third Reich Lugers 1988 by J. He should conscientiously fulfill his obligations, should be professional in his measures, be in touch with the public, but also act strictly against obvious violations, on the other hand avoid all incidents or even abuses by which the mood of a considerable part of the population is even more against those Police are involved when it is unfortunately already the case. Command of maintenance/supply section, Wirtschaftsamt The kit is decidedly different in construction and contents from the official Reinigungsgert 34 & R.G.34 fr Kal. Discussions on the small arms used by the Axis forces. The thumb safety is marked "Gesichert" and when exposed (1096) NOTE: Photographs taken today by Poot 08 May 2016, 08:12, Post Still 1993 on page 174, Fig. Choose whether you want the sealed, opened box, or the marking stamp. German firearms are loaded with a variety of markings and stamps. 435 Municipal Police Berlin unit 13 Pistol s/n 9140e. 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