and. Late Show ' s Just One Question, with Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (cameo appearance by Molly . Rachel Maddow: Let's take it beyond Ernest Lundeen. The presence of a swastika in the background of a photo posted by MSNBC host Chris Hayes gave Twitter a chortle this week. This was 1939. "Chris has done an amazing job creating a franchise on weekend mornings," said Phil Griffin, the president of MSNBC. Rachel Maddow: -- which failed. Rachel Maddow is incredible. This is extremely exciting. Rachel Maddow: And, you know, theyre organizing rifle clubs, and its as confrontational as you can get in terms of being an overt pro-Hitler movement designed to destabilize the United States. Prosecution does not work and that prosecutor, having been through all those different of the ringer ends up breaking all the rules. And why have you never heard of this guy? Rachel Maddow: -- 10:30. All sorts of other efforts against those forces did work. According to the Daily Beast, Maddow's new contract would allow her more. Discover will be the first credit card company to use a new merchant identification code that will show purchases made at gun stores. In the first quarter of 2015, "The Rachel Maddow Show" was ranked 26th among all cable news shows. Rachel Maddow: Oh, in terms of legitimately not knowing what's coming next? Chris Hayes: Do you think we have the right antibodies now? You get 11, you get 10. I think that American activism waxes and wanes and is maybe less robust on this front than it was in the '30s and '40s, in this time that Im writing about. That was awesome. That's kind of funny just because she was doing that. Chris Hayes: Pearl Harbor happens, the war happens. You say like, "Oh, today's Father Coughlin.". Chris Hayes: They sacrificed tremendous amount of bloodshed. Theres a role for journalism, there is a role for activism. I feel like this idea that we're dealing with pro-authoritarian impulses on the right as connected to electoral politics, that being some sort of unprecedented challenge, it doesn't feel unprecedented to me. Rachel Maddow: Yes, and that's got a whole lot of technical elements to it, like, dont --, Rachel Maddow: -- dont use too many proper nouns that are --, Chris Hayes: -- magicians trick, it really is, like --, Rachel Maddow: -- but you know how to do it. Rachel Maddow MSNBC 4 Anderson Cooper Big Government Jake Tapper 5 Christiane Amanpour James O'Keefe Joy Reid 6 Pope Francis Sean Hannity Chris Hayes 7 Dr Sanjay Gupta Raheem Emma Gonzlez 8 CNNMoney Joel B. Pollak Markos Moulitsas 9 Jake Tapper Ann Coulter Maggie Haberman 10 Brian Stelter Allum Bokhari And its interesting after Huey Long was assassinated, he had left behind in Louisiana a political machine that still ruled in dictatorial terms over Louisiana politics sort of share our wealth --. And he gave me some two-sentence sketch that he'd been given. And I also was like, I guess, I just never heard of the senator. Chris Hayes: Well be right back after we take this quick break. And the next thing they sent him to do was the Christian Front trial --. Chris Hayes is married to Kate A. Shaw who is an associate professor of law at Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law. Like, wait a second, how does this happen? Then, its them. It's like a physics bridge with the toothpicks and the weight, like, it better be pretty structurally tight --. Chris Hayes: -- transparent work product in the world. Politics, Foreign Policy, Military & Defense Issues. Rachel Maddow: And where we get to from that is a Nazi plot --. I think that American journalism is strong and has all the right instincts and can lead. Rachel Maddow: You would not be on trial. Rachel Maddow, MSNBC's biggest star, has mentored Hayes, her lead-in at 9 p.m., throughout his time at the network. Where is the threat to walk out, to boycott, to stand on principle, by Rachel Maddow? But if you think about a sedition trial like sedition is trying to overthrow the government by force, if you succeeded in your seditious plot --. Chris Hayes discusses All In and recent politics. Chris Hayes: Right, right. The Huey Long guy who lost the Christian Front trial. I haven't figured out how to work less, but I am working in a different way and I'm doing different things, and that is valuable. He interviews guys on the Nazi side of the plot to say, in fact, were you working with these Americans and gets them on the record from their cells at Nuremberg saying yeah, these were the Americans who we are working with. Not to be weird but, like, I'm very grateful to the executives at the company who said I could do this, because it means that I don't have to quit doing what I'm doing. No one knows or even cares if Biden's story is true. I mean, obviously it's your voice, and you have a very good voice technically, but a Rachel Maddow way of telling a story that happens in this podcast where it's like, "I'm in it. If you're doing something in 90 seconds, it's like there's just a lot more room for error, right? Rachel Maddow: Super interesting. They do that over and over in the workrooms and the app gets better and better and tighter and tighter, and the really good ones come up with something amazing that they could show up at any room across the country and kill. 11, and Hayes' show is coming in . Do you buy the explanation of the presence of the swastika on the desk? MSNBC's Rachel Maddow's 9 p.m. show averaged a 2.3 rating, up from a 2.2, and . Rachel Maddow: Yeah. The combination of those things is something that the Justice Department tried to tackle through a mass sedition trial in 1944. And if that thing isn't there at the end of the day, like, I got the day off --. And a lot of the most fascist stuff comes from what it gets in the room. In an interview with MSNBC colleague Rachel Maddow, Hayes said that people are increasingly realizing that January 6th, 2021 was actually a "very big thing." "It's just really hard to convict. Is that a story about, you know, how populism and fascism and accountability can crash in ways that are very troubling in terms of the actions of the Justice Department? Rachel Maddow: And I'm really grateful. Its, to me, a bigger truth to realize there was a whole lot of them, and they were all meeting those needs in different ways. The Rachel Maddow Show airs Mondays at 9pm ET on MSNBC, and shortly thereafter in this feed. And then everyone starts doing it differently or some people try to do it differently, even if they're not quite as good. And the Hitler government simultaneously supporting both native fascist and German fascist movements in this country that were plotting a violent overthrow of the U.S. Government. And then there's just a person who comes along who's just better at it, just better at hitting baseballs and completely revolutionizes, like, what it is to be a hitter in Major League Baseball. When Alex Wagner debuts her new MSNBC show on Tuesday, she will be taking on an unusual arrangement . I think were capable of it. You're killing me. And sedition is, therefore, very hard to prove because anybody whos on trial for sedition --, Rachel Maddow: -- did not have an effective --, Rachel Maddow: -- seditious plan. Rachel Maddow and new MSNBC host Chris Hayes had a candid discussion about the difficulties of their jobs on the Sunday edition of Hayes' new show, "Up." To be clear, neither host was complaining about the burden of being paid a hefty salary to host a television show about things that interested them. Completing this poll entitles you to The Western Journal news updates free of charge. And some of them, yes, were prosecutors and people working inside the criminal justice system, but some of them were crusading columnists. pic.twitter.com/h6uNdmCT2q, Aldous Huxleys Ghost (@AF632) October 5, 2022, TexZeus (@vinnieoftexas_) October 4, 2022. Doni Holloway will be checking those and sending me the good ones, screening out anything critical. And who do they bring into that cleanup? It operated in a way where, like, people maybe hit 10 home runs a year. I mean, if you take people at face value and you believe that they are arguing earnestly for what they believe, those are fascinating and substantive arguments, which also occluded a lot of active fascist-organizing in the United States at the time. I'm paraphrasing. Last night, both Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow interviewed activists drawn to D.C. this week to advocate for gun control because they have personal experience with mass-shootings. Jon Stewart enters the game - In light of the influence Jon Stewart had in encouraging the passage of the 9/11 first responders bill, The Rachel Maddow Show replays a portion of his interview with Rachel Maddow in which he discusses whether he's a player or spectator in the game of politics. And as such, your failed plot is a failed plot and can be minimized as unserious --, Rachel Maddow: -- and unthreatening. And then in 1914, he had nine. Search us up on TikTok by searching for WITHpod. So that part of it, like, what have you learned from that storytelling process that you bring over now? Jack Davis is a freelance writer who joined The Western Journal in July 2015 and chronicled the campaign that saw President Donald Trump elected. It's an hour --, Chris Hayes: And it's this thing. Chris Hayes: Wait, what's the story? Chris Hayes: -- because I only had one, and that one was enough. Rachel Maddow: Yes. And he gets locked up for embezzling from the German American Bund because, I mean --, Rachel Maddow: -- one of the historic truths that you keep bumping up against is that a lot of people who have fascist and authoritarian impulses and move in these directions, theyre also grifters and --. Rachel Maddow: And also, is this real? You have to work with people who are smarter than you, who keep you on track and bring out the best in you. January 17th, 80 years to the day earlier, January 17th, 1940, the front-page story in every newspaper in the country is about the arrest of 17 members of the Christian Front militia. Rachel Maddow: What did he tell you? Chris Hayes: Oh, my God, this is amazing. Rachel Maddow: -- you know, get them arrested. So, but that gets only (ph) --. Rachel Maddow: I think we are capable of generating them. And the Justice Department, I think, was onto something in terms of the way those things were connected. Twitter users who were interested in inspecting the books that formed the backdrop to the photo noticed that when they magnified the picture, a document with a swastika on its cover was visible near Hayess right hip. Chris Hayes: Well, and it also, I mean, the obvious resonance is here with the current day. I feel like that's part of it all getting scrubbed because it's like, oh, well, that was all before. Susan was like, you know, when I met you, you were a grad student who works hard. Rachel Maddow: -- like, that night, and was coming back. And the Justice Department was like, "We should do something about this. These are ones we are paying, and he publishes it and gets fired from the Justice Department for doing it. Rachel Maddow: This is a booklet about the Christian Front. Rachel Maddow is incredible. You can focus on any one of them. Chris Hayes: Yeah, you do get him in, again, the kind of inter-warriors 101 --, Rachel Maddow: And also, you get him when people are sort of hyperbolically criticizing right-wing media, right? And were on the train leaving New Orleans heading towards Texas, and were growing across the Huey Long Bridge. But compartmentalization is important so that you can work this intensely. I can keep doing what I'm doing. Chris Hayes: I've never heard of this guy. And in some cases, they were actively supported by the Hitler government as an effort to create a fifth column here that was going to soften us up for a fascist takeover or to have a native takeover here in the United States that would bring in an administration or a form of government that would be more in keeping and more friendly toward Hitlers aims. Also, the pamphlet behind me, which indeed have a swastika on it, is an incredible. Chris Hayes: We should talk about, since its mentioned, the title is "The Christian Front: Coughlins Storm Troopers," and maybe we should talk a little bit of Coughlin because he is a key figure. . Rachel Maddow: That makes for a good booze ballad. And then the Cold War, right? Great reason --. Rachel Maddow: An effort in the United States. And they sent a sort of wunderkind prosecutor down to Louisiana. Chris Hayes: Well, that gets to something fascinating to me because we use the term "lost to history." And also the theology around tyranny and sedition, being a nuanced thing that Coughlin was very cognizant of and was playing with, even as his followers were being put on trial for sedition for having them what he told them to do. Theyre not sending their best. That was 1940, and then by 1941, we were in World War II, and we moved on. It ends up being very handy. Oct. 12, 2022, 3:29 PM PDT By Why Is This. Chris Hayes: OK. Once again, my great thanks to my dear friend and colleague, master of all media, Rachel Maddow. Hayes was said to transition better to The Rachel Maddow Show because he is seen as just as policy-oriented as Maddow. The historical, narrative style pod could hardly be more relevant, as the plot revolves around a sedition trial quite similar to the ongoing Oath Keepers one. And I'm hoping, in some ways, that learning the history of other Americans who've done it well can give us some energy. Rachel Maddow: And then you were in local morning radio and working this hard, and then you were working for the ACLU --. Rachel Maddow: Yeah, hes a great interview --, Rachel Maddow: -- but its a great book. And we, in the Bronx, need to figure out how we are going to fight that. Rachel Maddow: Oh, the full pamphlet. Chris Hayes speaks with MSNBC anchor, author and friend Rachel Maddow about her new podcast, "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra" and more. And I think this first entered my consciousness in the Philip Roth book, "The Plot Against America" --, Chris Hayes: -- which is fictional, but also when you read it, it's a fictional counter-history in which Charles Lindbergh runs for president as essentially a kind of Nazi sympathizer, essentially America first. I think you and I cherish it, not everyone does, but that theres some really important lines here about you can write a pamphlet saying Donald Trump should. Rachel Maddow: -- in part because he thinks that hes that. Actually, when I heard the gloss (ph), and I was like, that can't be right. Rachel Maddow: -- and was profoundly both popular. I'm getting weirdly teary. Chris Hayes: Hello and welcome to "Why Is This Happening?" Theres other nuances but --, Chris Hayes: -- you know, I mean, Hitler literally led a mob against the seat of government --. Rachel Maddow: -- stockpiling bombs and detailed plans. Here's the thing, I'm in this weird thing where it's like I don't want to spoil it, but kind of have to talk about the content of the podcast. He gets on the air in the United States just after Kristallnacht, and basically says, yeah, the Jews had it coming. Rachel Maddow: Yes. You can get the first two episodes now wherever you get your podcasts. There are parts about fascist rhetoric that are compelling in their own twisted terrible way. Chris Hayes: Hes just a guy (ph), like --. And the great sedition trial in the end doesnt work for all sorts of amazing reasons, and he ends his career at the Justice Department. Rachel Maddow: -- because you have free speech, but you ought to be recognized as a political actor and for the political threat you pose to our system, and there ought to be a response. And the same agents in the Hitler government, operating through the same channels, was doing both of those things simultaneously. 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