He didnt make a mistake. process. This process consists of a detailed examination of the They most certainly have access to previous sf86s youve filled out as well as your enlistment paperwork. You are expected to answer only what they ask. I lied on my SF86 - Drug use SECURITY CLEARANCE Q&A coupe1987 July 27, 2019, 3:35pm 1 I've been reading a lot of similar stories but just want someone to tell it to me straight based on my situation. I understand that if I withhold, misrepresent, or falsify, information on this form, I am subject to the penalties for inaccurate or false statement per US criminal code title 18 section 1001 denial or revocation of a security clearance, and/or removal and debarment from Federal Service. If a pre-employment questionnaire asked about drug use it may be because they already know this may be a reason your clearance would be denied. I dont write that to insult you, rather for you to see it from clearance division perspective. Security clearances aren't denied simply because people have a colored past. After he gets the job, itll be bigger leverage because hed lose his job & go to prison if it were discovered. Nothing on this site should be taken as legal advice for any individual Same net effect. Be sure to the truthful on the SF86 and during an interview etc. Should I mention my domestic violence arrest or my DUI? 15 years ago? Cookie Notice When a person is seeking security clearance, they will be required to fill out various forms, such as the security questionnaire and the personal history statement. While they technically could falsify information on the form, background investigators will inquire for more information through other sources for any issues that come up. Polygraph exams (or "lie detector tests") raise a great deal of concern to applicants. The instructions read: Your name has been provided by the person identified below to assist in completing a background investigation to help us determine this persons suitability for employment or security clearance. I was referring to the job that you were fired from. You falsified and swore to two official government documents. Be honest- your friend made his own bed. Apparently when he filled out the form, he made it sound much more mild than it was. I am not sure getting a lawyer is even worth it to be honest. It's only activated as a requirement by the organization. Or is that kind of info lost upon closure of the inquiry. Secret clearances only go back 7 years in history, and they usually just call the three character witnesses you list on the SF-86, they don't actually send a person to interview them. 21 comments share save hide report 72% Upvoted This thread is archived If you are notified of an intent to deny or revoke your security clearance, you have the right . Do I have to give a reason? Here's the thing; the biggest risks of clearances is other people using your information against you to manipulate or blackmail. To see if he has made bad decisions that would indicate he will continue to do so. The purpose of the security clearance is to make sure that he can be trusted with state secrets. Oops is when you tell your recruiter then forget listing the drug use on your SF86. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. For more information, please see our And if anything in their past is recorded elsewhere, an investigation will find it, and asking others to lie will not go well. If so, Thus, applicants are highly encouraged to consider speaking with an experienced attorney prior to taking a polygraph examination. This information is not intended to create, and receipt disclose my sexual assault conviction from my youth?. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Bruce Kelly says: October 3, 2014 at 10:06 am. Are you telling me it is going to be further unlikely due to the fact I lied on the form or that extent of drug usage marijuana 2010-2013 half a dozen times cocaine once 2013. Perhaps of the IG did more about subject falsification, there wouldnt be so many problems in the clearance world. Anyone else experience this? Right now I'm thinking I'll just lie for him. I doubt they would prosecute -- though what you did is illegal. or personal history statement, or if they deliberately lie about relevant Many security clearance applicants contact the National Security Law Firm seeking information about the polygraph examination. I have a scheduled interview with my TS interviewer next week. You lied again. For the rest of the cases, agencies would rather just deny or revoke the individuals security clearance and terminate their relationship with the agency in order to move on to the next candidate. I had just turned 22. Imagine this scenario: you just graduated college and are offered a job that requires eligibility for a security clearance. However, personal conduct, drug involvement, and security violations are three reasons that we frequently encounter in our work. It's up to you whether you want to tell the truth or simply refuse to participate. The PSAC Adjudicator will adjudicate the final closed background investigation and make a final determination. If they think you're lying for him, they may or may not charge you, but either way you risk any potential future clearance that you might want. Thank you in advance and thanks to all the people posting info on this sub if it werent for this i would have no idea what i was getting into! The SF-86 security questionnaire filled out by all security clearance applicants requires reporting any mental health counseling or treatment received during the previous 7 years unless it is. Run, do not walk away from this. "Why would we ever give him a security clearance and the secrets to America? You will likely be advised of 4 things prior to the interview, the purpose, the creds of the Investigator, the Privacy Act of 1974, and it being an unclassified conversation. Also, you don't really make clear in your OP, but how do you know that he "partied hard"? Jared Kushner lied on his form. something out, or did you unintentionally provide false or misleading Its definitely a possibility that you get kicked out. When you applied for security clearance, did you leave accidentally leave The investigators are good at their jobs and are likely to discover the truth without OPs help. case or situation. The worst part is that he's been clean and responsible for many years now, and as I understand it, they're pretty forgiving of past partying during the background checks. Contact a Military OneSource non-medical counselor at 800-342-9647 to help you identify the kind of help you need and put you in . Remember, seeking help early to improve your performance is a sign of strength and commitment. Regardless of what they ask, do your friend a favor and be honest about the drug use, and if it's getting too specific you can just say you're not sure, you don't recall details, or you don't remember. or viewing does not constitute, an attorney-client relationship. As long as you aren't a terrible airman in other areas, I seriously doubt this is grounds for discharge. If they catch a whiff of deception on the part of the applicant, its game over, man. The new SF86 was submitted and I still annotated "no" for the drugs since it was actually over 7 . If you get asked about drug use and you didn't actually see him taking drugs, you can honestly say that you don't have first hand knowledge of that. Lying is something they dont take lightly. A person enlists before the SF 86 is completed - dont they?. 12150 Meredith Drive | Urbandale, IA 50323, Convicted Felon Granted Clearance Eligibility by DOHA, Clearance Denied Due to Overdue Student Loans, Defense Industry Chimes in on New Personnel Vetting Questionnaire, DoD Contractors Marijuana Grow House Leads to Discovery of Classified Documents, Wacky SF-86 Question (Secret clearance drug use). I'm curious then, if you suspect that someone has misrepresented in an interview, do you make a note about that interviewee's veracity that might become part of their record in the event they were to ever apply for clearance? What if I Lie When Applying for Security Clearance. meet the established personnel security guidelines, which are covered Will do, thank you. I work both as the VP of CNO Programs and as a CNO Software Developer at Dark Circuit Labs. What, if anything, you decide to do about correcting the pre employment form is up to you. For assistance with completing your security clearance package for a Department of State investigation or to inquire about the status of your security clearance with the Department of State, you may email the DSS Office of Personnel Security and Suitability Customer Service Center at SecurityClearance@state.gov or call between 8 A.M - 5 P.M . When filling out the Questionnaire for National Security Positions (SF-86) there is a section right after the instructions you have to acknowledge as having read. Who decides if I get a security clearance? He was discharged. Past drug us or partying in college doesn't necessarily mean they can't be trusted. facts to their employer, a security official, a doctor, or a government If convicted, the criminal penalties include fines of up to $10,000 and/or imprisonment up to five years. If you are applying for security clearance and would like assistance with the process, please contact our office to schedule an appointment. For all of the Edward Snowdens and Aaron Alexises of the world, youd think that more subjects would be prosecuted for violating Title 18 Sec. And since Tim wasn't briefed by Friend to lie, Tim's gonna tell the truth about their partying days. or If I leave out the fact that I filed bankruptcy over 10 years I've known this guy since middle school, and know that for a few years he partied pretty hard with various drugs/alcohol. You also may be kicked out of the military completely due to fraudulent enlistment. This is assuming that an applicant is able to prove 100% that the form 41 is filled out in a way that is 100% a lie. u/bluelinefrog, Its important to note that adjudicators dont usually base a security clearance denial or revocation on the word of a single reference or verifier. He asked me to withhold information to match what he put down. Security Clearance. What, if anything, you decide to do about . The deciding agency or organization who discovered the violation, after affording the individual due process, has a few options available. Your PSI is current if it is not more than six years old for a Top Secret clearance or not more than 10 years for a Secret clearance. Whether or not a certain job will require a security clearance is determined by the employer. You fill out the SF-86 and for fear of not getting the job offer, omit the fact that you used marijuana and misused prescription drugs a few times while in college. Come clean and brace for the fallout. Your best and safest option at this point is to say nothing. You could lose your clearance and thereby lose that job. But continuing in the lie -- especially one that will be discovered if you ever need to apply for a security clearance -- is not something you want to do. This means, without a reason to obtain one, applying for a clearance isn't a process you can initiate on your own without a sponsor. When you enter the service you have to make a drug and tobacco declaration. Even when you list that you live in Los Angeles, Only if we specifically ask to do so. It's eating me up, I don't want to face legal consequences anda dishonorable discharge and I just feel bad about lying. What recourse do applicants have if they have proof that a previous contact or boss or coworker lied on the INV form 41? [Seriously. We would get fired if we lied on a form, but surely someone cant just lie about us without recourse while threatening our jobs. I think Ill still bring it up during the drug question part. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Edit: However, I won't lie for him. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Youth will mitigate the lie somewhat, as will the fact that you are coming clean on it yourself instead of waiting for someone to confront you with the issue (it could come out in the interviews of your family and/or friends). What about the other side of the coin a reference you provide lies during the investigation? A computer sends everything out initially, for all case types. security concern, ultimately disqualifying an individual who may have been qualified if During the interviews he lied to them about his association with the group, and in October 2019 he was arrested and indicted for lying on his security clearance application and for lying to federal investigators. From the SF86 that you signed: Applicants are required to divulge ALL their medical issues. While it isnt something that is taken lightly, I guess, I am just waiting for someone to tell me there is at least some hope if I am forthcoming. If the former national security advisor to the President of the United States can't get away with lying to the FBI on a background check, what makes you think that you can? I do believe he was administratively separated. So I can just refuse to participate? They may also be interviewed by their employer, a security official, an investigator, a government representative, or a competent medical authority, or any combination thereof. Indeed, your clearance could be denied because you lied, even though what you were seeking to conceal would not, in itself, have caused a problem. A little background that I could definitely get some advice about: I am looking to get a Secret or Public Trust now, and I honestly am very remorseful for lying on the forms in August as my drug use ended in early 2018. 1. You risk possible criminal charges for lying to the feds. HIs SF86 said he did not. That is the risk-minimising course of action and the one I would recommend were I OPs lawyer (which I certainly am not). According to those reports, Trump pushed for security clearances to be granted to Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner against the wishes of intelligence officials and his own White House staff.. Ive read a few of your previous comments on some folks in similar situations as me. It looks like you may have concerns about illegal drug use/abuse. Ive personally known a Sgt with 8 years being investigated for something he was innocent of. if the applicant was open and honest about it. I failed to mention the one and only time I ever did any drugs. In the 1980s and 1990s, debt collectors engaged in some shady tactics. A U.S. Marine Veteran (Ret.) I got interview recently as a reference. Other levels of clearance exist, such as Public Trust; however, Confidential, Secret, and Top-Secret security clearance are the most widely used. Even with security clearance, an employee or contractor must prove their need to know secure information before receiving access. I have obtained my top secret clearance. Depending Katie Keller is a marketing fanatic that enjoys anything digital, communications, promotions & events. Answer (1 of 4): You mean committed multiple military law felonies, by omitting that information? DCSA can only discuss case status information with authorized contacts from your branch of service. There's a chance they might not even call you. A little background that I could definitely get some advice about: Interned with defense contractor this past summer and needed to get Public Trust for future employment Began process with intern company (August 2019), ended up lying about marijuana and prior drug use that . Interested in writing for ClearanceJobs.com? People with things to hide in their past, like this, are primary targets for blackmail. I was nervous about doing this because I'd rather be honest but he said he got a TS security clearance and it was no big deal and that there's no way they can find out. At this point you have two choices: 1) answer the new form honestly, be prepared to get followup questions and maybe even get denied, or; 2) give up on the idea of ever working a job that requires any kind of background investigation. 22. contact our security clearance attorneys for assistance! In addition to being truthful, here are four rules to keep in mind if you need to take a polygraph for a government position. Anybody else have any experience with this? If I was the boss I'd launch an investigation into their shoddy practices but I'm not the boss. Each year, applicants are denied for a myriad of reasons, many of them tied to misleading details provided during their investigation relating to drug use, foreign involvement, bad debt, and other red flags. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled. I did have a, No, what you put down is where the inquiry/agent go. If so, what is the likelihood of that happening? out various forms, such as the security questionnaire and the personal Even if you only lied by accident, say because you misunderstood the scope of a question, Department of Defense (DOD) officials are not going to cut you any slack. I know when it comes to adjudication it can vary depending on the situation or even the judge assigned to the case. There are obviously more factors considered than just your weed use. Company withdrew sponsorship after I ended up leaving for another company, so not withdrawn from my end. But now that you have lied, the Army may chose to separate you for lying in your application. This I was truthful on. Thats it. The U.S. government provides this clearance only to federal employees and contractors whose job duties require secure access. Provocatively asked to make a pointHow often did you use once you joined? And, "Why should anyone believe you? " Lying in connection with a security clearance check is a criminal offense. During the adjudicative process, the applicants background is closely What can I expect from my interviewer when I bring this up? Flash forward to 2020 where I am now active and trying to get an another position which requires a TS. Idk I hate how I put myself in this stupid predicament. My advice is to go directly to your security manager, tell him the lies (without making excuses), and get your SF 86 updated. official, an investigator, a government representative, or a competent If you would like to discuss your security clearance concerns further in a confidential environment, a member of our security clearance team would be happy to talk with you. For the majority of clearance holders, a Privacy Act request through the Defense Counterintelligence and Security Agency provides the necessary information. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled. Ive heard of perjury but one must be sworn in in a court of law for that, right? But what if someone has security clearance, can a debt collector call the debtor's employer and have their security clearance revoked? When they come around asking questions about your Friend, they're also going to ask you about other people that know him - "You mentioned he knows Tim? is worthy of a security clearance, and not considered a security under the Adjudicative Guidelines. 10? The caveat for that individual is that now they will have additional adverse information to disclose on any future security clearance application, which may impact them being offered employment. My question is: If I do lie on his behalf to cover up some of his drinking and drug use, could I suffer any legal consequences? parties, the applicant may get nervous about their past. I heard they are ok with weed but nothing else. 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